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 Post subject: Something fishy with what apple is doing with itunes 8?
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In itunes version 7.7.1, we apple made it so that we could not import cracked apps into itunes and we couldnt get them onto our ipod touch/iphone. Now apple releases an Itunes 8.0, and we can import cracked apps and be able to use them on our devices. Has apple found a way to detect if people are useing cracked apps and are doing this on purpose to catch us? Anyone know? And what are the chances that we could get into trouble from it?

Also, if we have cracked apps in our library and on our devices, can we still get free apps from app store? Like if we log into our itunes account, will apple be able to detect our library and see if we have cracked apps? If this is the case then should we delete all cracked apps from itunes every time we want to install an app from app store or update a previous app from app store, and then import all the cracked apps again? I may just be paranoid... but I want to be on the safe side and not get caught.

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If apple does anything of the sort, I think you have a right to sue them. Know where in their Contract/User Agreement does it say they can monitor your computer (unless you somehow were asked to).

If anything I would imagine iTunes would reject the applications and will not update them to your iPod.

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There is a killswitch that Apple can trigger to stop apps from running on all iPods and iPhones upon which they're installed, but that's the only limiting factor AFAIK, and that only applies to those who weren't smart enough to disable their killswitch using the BossPrefs application.

On the iTunes side of things, yes, and no. By using the application, you agree to their TOS and those can inherently change at any time. As such, they could institute a surveillance policy at any time and of course you'd be subject to it, legally, due to the fact that you agreed to the EULA by clicking 'accept' at that prompt after you install iTunes.

Of course, you could always block the ports that iTunes uses to call home, which is why I said both yes and no. If you block iTunes' communication with home, there's not much anything anyone could possibly hope to do to it. Of course, if you break its line of communication, one would also assume that all iTunes Store related activities, like actually authorizing your PC for the installation of apps, would cease.


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There is a killswitch that Apple can trigger to stop apps from running on all iPods and iPhones upon which they're installed, but that's the only limiting factor AFAIK, and that only applies to those who weren't smart enough to disable their killswitch using the BossPrefs application.

On the iTunes side of things, yes, and no. By using the application, you agree to their TOS and those can inherently change at any time. As such, they could institute a surveillance policy at any time and of course you'd be subject to it, legally, due to the fact that you agreed to the EULA by clicking 'accept' at that prompt after you install iTunes.

Of course, you could always block the ports that iTunes uses to call home, which is why I said both yes and no. If you block iTunes' communication with home, there's not much anything anyone could possibly hope to do to it. Of course, if you break its line of communication, one would also assume that all iTunes Store related activities, like actually authorizing your PC for the installation of apps, would cease.


lol sorry im a noob at this stuff and dont understand anything. Whats AFAIK? and how do you dissable killswitch? and how do you block ports that iTunes uses to call home? and what does "call home" mean? so if i do block ports, then my computer wont be authorized and i wont be able to transfer anything to my iphone?

sorry that i know like nothing about this, but I want to find the best way to not get in trouble or have to deal with apple or anything.

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There is a killswitch that Apple can trigger to stop apps from running on all iPods and iPhones upon which they're installed, but that's the only limiting factor AFAIK, and that only applies to those who weren't smart enough to disable their killswitch using the BossPrefs application.

On the iTunes side of things, yes, and no. By using the application, you agree to their TOS and those can inherently change at any time. As such, they could institute a surveillance policy at any time and of course you'd be subject to it, legally, due to the fact that you agreed to the EULA by clicking 'accept' at that prompt after you install iTunes.

Of course, you could always block the ports that iTunes uses to call home, which is why I said both yes and no. If you block iTunes' communication with home, there's not much anything anyone could possibly hope to do to it. Of course, if you break its line of communication, one would also assume that all iTunes Store related activities, like actually authorizing your PC for the installation of apps, would cease.


lol sorry im a noob at this stuff and dont understand anything. Whats AFAIK? and how do you dissable killswitch? and how do you block ports that iTunes uses to call home? and what does "call home" mean? so if i do block ports, then my computer wont be authorized and i wont be able to transfer anything to my iphone?

sorry that i know like nothing about this, but I want to find the best way to not get in trouble or have to deal with apple or anything.

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"AFAIK": "As far as I know"

Disabling Killswitch: Can be done via the BossPrefs application, available to jailbroken users via Cydia Installer. Once downloaded, open BossPrefs and tap "more". From there, it should be obvious, as there's a button that is labeled "disable killswitch."

"Call Home": A phrase used when an application reports over the internet to its creators. To "call home" for iTunes is to contact Apple. If iTunes were to "call home" and report malicious activity, Apple has the right to take action, according to their EULA which can be changed at any time.

Blocking ports: Google that one. It's easy to do but I don't feel like explaining it. You don't need to do it anyway, seeing how iTunes and all iTunes store related activities will thereby be disabled from access to the internet.

Regardless, you won't get in trouble for downloading cracked applications. Downloading pirated material is legal in most countries. It's the distribution part that's actually bad. That's why p2p is always targeted by the MPAA and such: when you download a torrent, you must distribute (seed) the data to other users. It's fine that you've downloaded the copyrighted material, but since you're helping in the distribution and spread of it, you're legally accountable. What does this mean for you? Well, just having cracked apps on your PC won't do a damn thing but make Apple a little angry. There's nothing they can prosecute, and there's nothing they can do to you other than release an update that kills your apps. I doubt they'd disable your iTunes Store account, because then they'd lose a customer.

You have nothing to worry about in your current state.


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ok thanks man that helped a lot! so i have nothing to worry about? and so i should get that one bosspref thing? and btw do you know if theres a jailbreak for 2.1 for windows yet?

thanks soo much for your help. Karama


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ok thanks man that helped a lot! so i have nothing to worry about? and so i should get that one bosspref thing? and btw do you know if theres a jailbreak for 2.1 for windows yet?

thanks soo much for your help. Karama


Yes, there is a jailbreak for 2.1, using Windows. You can find a tutorial for this at this thread on iPodTouchFans.

Yes, I recommend you download BossPrefs. Not only does it provide neat functionality such as disabling your killswitch, it also allows you to enable numeric battery, toggle SSH/WiFi/Edge/Bluetooth/etc, and fix your user directory permissions, in addition to being a complete settings application consolidator.


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 Post subject: i have itunes 7.7.1
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i got 7.7.1 and i can import apps.. i got no idea what ur on about but cheers for the windows jailbreak


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There is a killswitch that Apple can trigger to stop apps from running on all iPods and iPhones upon which they're installed, but that's the only limiting factor AFAIK, and that only applies to those who weren't smart enough to disable their killswitch using the BossPrefs application.

On the iTunes side of things, yes, and no. By using the application, you agree to their TOS and those can inherently change at any time. As such, they could institute a surveillance policy at any time and of course you'd be subject to it, legally, due to the fact that you agreed to the EULA by clicking 'accept' at that prompt after you install iTunes.

Of course, you could always block the ports that iTunes uses to call home, which is why I said both yes and no. If you block iTunes' communication with home, there's not much anything anyone could possibly hope to do to it. Of course, if you break its line of communication, one would also assume that all iTunes Store related activities, like actually authorizing your PC for the installation of apps, would cease.


Quite interesting... apple is the waiter sitting there holding onto the table cloth ready to pull it right from underneath of us. I use peerguardian to "block E.T. from transmitting home." I blocked apple the second it asked me to send diagnostics info back to apple. I thought that was bullsh**. I think I'll make an announcement or sticky something were it mentions that we should not send back diagnosis info to apple...

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There is a killswitch that Apple can trigger to stop apps from running on all iPods and iPhones upon which they're installed, but that's the only limiting factor AFAIK, and that only applies to those who weren't smart enough to disable their killswitch using the BossPrefs application.

On the iTunes side of things, yes, and no. By using the application, you agree to their TOS and those can inherently change at any time. As such, they could institute a surveillance policy at any time and of course you'd be subject to it, legally, due to the fact that you agreed to the EULA by clicking 'accept' at that prompt after you install iTunes.

Of course, you could always block the ports that iTunes uses to call home, which is why I said both yes and no. If you block iTunes' communication with home, there's not much anything anyone could possibly hope to do to it. Of course, if you break its line of communication, one would also assume that all iTunes Store related activities, like actually authorizing your PC for the installation of apps, would cease.


lol sorry im a noob at this stuff and dont understand anything. Whats AFAIK? and how do you dissable killswitch? and how do you block ports that iTunes uses to call home? and what does "call home" mean? so if i do block ports, then my computer wont be authorized and i wont be able to transfer anything to my iphone?

sorry that i know like nothing about this, but I want to find the best way to not get in trouble or have to deal with apple or anything.

thanks


"AFAIK": "As far as I know"

Disabling Killswitch: Can be done via the BossPrefs application, available to jailbroken users via Cydia Installer. Once downloaded, open BossPrefs and tap "more". From there, it should be obvious, as there's a button that is labeled "disable killswitch."

"Call Home": A phrase used when an application reports over the internet to its creators. To "call home" for iTunes is to contact Apple. If iTunes were to "call home" and report malicious activity, Apple has the right to take action, according to their EULA which can be changed at any time.

Blocking ports: Google that one. It's easy to do but I don't feel like explaining it. You don't need to do it anyway, seeing how iTunes and all iTunes store related activities will thereby be disabled from access to the internet.

Regardless, you won't get in trouble for downloading cracked applications. Downloading pirated material is legal in most countries. It's the distribution part that's actually bad. That's why p2p is always targeted by the MPAA and such: when you download a torrent, you must distribute (seed) the data to other users. It's fine that you've downloaded the copyrighted material, but since you're helping in the distribution and spread of it, you're legally accountable. What does this mean for you? Well, just having cracked apps on your PC won't do a damn thing but make Apple a little angry. There's nothing they can prosecute, and there's nothing they can do to you other than release an update that kills your apps. I doubt they'd disable your iTunes Store account, because then they'd lose a customer.

You have nothing to worry about in your current state.

So pretty much we can download a cracked app drag and drop into iTunes and as long as we don't distribute them we're legally safe?


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ok that all sounds silly to me..because i could synce ipas with itunes 7.7.1,plus for apple to check your computer that would be breaking all kinds of laws(just my opion) and whole kill switch thing is just incase some idiot sends out 3rd party app with a virus on it or something like that(a virus that could screw apple)again just my opion so they won't be held accountable if such virus would screw with millons of peoples iphones-ipod...just my opion..... peace

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to put it in simple terms basically what they did was block certain programs and apps from being cracked and put restrictions on them but this is only for itunes on your CPU. if you access itunes app store from your device itself you shouldnt have a problem.

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I don't they can do that. Its illgal to moniter someone elses computer without permision from the user.

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this is an interesting subject but i honestly dont think apple would care about people useing cracked apps cause they made enough money off you all ready for the ipod and they might try to brick your ipod so you have to buy a new one that and the music if they catch you you would get in tons of trouble cause the artist would sue you but they cant cause they would have to put a tracker in the file and they cant do that

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They're on to the jailbroken people!!! I hope people won't actually get caught or something


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